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Kim – that will be an easy car to see on the track. I might have to wear sunglasses. Nice choice.
Marty
I like a NSR Porsche 911 series – whether that is on the big track or the rally track. I have three cars already and could provide cars to others. Plus, most everyone has NSR parts they can use on these cars. I see this series as a spec series. I like running these cars on the rally track as a good spec series for this track.
I would like to run the BRM GT40’s. These are very similar to the Group 2 cars.
Group C
TTS March F2 spec series
BRM Classic race – Porsche 917, Ferrari 512, Alfa T33 on the big track
Hypercar – Scaleauto, SRC, and Slot.it = Porsche vs Toyota vs Acura
FLY Trucks – they are much more fun than you realize
RevoSlot GT1 – Toyota GT1, Mercedes CLK, McLaren F1 GTR, Porsche GT1. This could also be run as a Toyota GT1 spec race as there are numerous liverys and solid color choices
Correct. These cars are good performers with a 3D chassis. The trick now is finding a 3D chassis with Shapeways closed.
Marty
Correct. These cars are good performers with a 3D chassis. The trick now is finding a 3D chassis with Shapeways closed.
Marty
Randy – the Porsche 908 that ran in 1969 was the older version and not the 908/3 that NSR makes. The 908 in 1969 was the first version of the car.
Guys – I think we need to limit the time range to a smaller number of years. The NSR 908/3 is a game changer and will be the only car in the field as it has the best performance. I would suggest a pre-70’s race. Maybe ’66 to ’69 That would rule out the NSR 908/3 but leave it open for a ton of other great cars.
Fingers crossed, we can use the new Datsun 240Z in this series. BRM is allowing the Z to be used for their upcoming race in Italy. Alan has already received some cars and will have them in store at the end of March.
Brian,
Those look amazing. All of the pictures I have seen of them look great. Marc received his before last weekend’s race. It looked so good. It’s hard not to see a RevoSlot series next year with these cars.
Marty
I would like to propose that our Group B series be accompanied by is real-life companion the Group A series. The rules for the Group B series are for the most part, unlimited whereas the Group A series rules would be much closer to stock. This would allow members to run either of the series or both. I am attaching the proposed rules for both series. Please review them and provide any feedback on this forum.
Group B Rules – Proposed
Race Fees: $5 Premium members, $10 Standard members; $15 guests
Track
ASCC Rally course.
Power
Adjustable
Direction
Decided on race day with the flip of a coin.
Eligible Cars
Eligible Cars for Group B
Audi Quattro – Fly, SRC, Team Slot
Lancia 037 – Fly, Ninco
Lancia Delta S4 – Scalextric, SRC
MG Metro 6R4 – Scalextric, Scaleauto, MSC
Renault R5 Turbo – Fly
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 – SRC, Ninco, Scalextric
Opel Manta – Avant Slot
Ford RS200 – Scalextric, Scaleauto, MSC
Porsche 959 – MSC, Scaleauto
Nissan 240RS – Avant Slot
Excluded Models
Ferrari 288 GTO
BMW M1
Porsche 911
Rules
Models – any car from the Group B list.
Body – hard plastic, resin-cast or 3D printed bodies. Painted hard plastic white kits are allowed.
Interior – stock plastic or vacuum formed interiors. No cardboard cutout interiors. Vacuum formed interiors must be painted to show the driver and co-driver including their helmets, suits, and steering wheel.
Chassis – stock chassis or 3D printed. Can be reinforced. Can be sanded, the gap between the body and the chassis cannot be wider than the width of a credit card. Metal chassis are not allowed.
Wheels – cannot be smaller than 14mm. Cannot be wider than 10mm. Cannot be narrower than 8mm
Wheel Inserts – must be a good-faith effort to depict the wheels on the 1:1 race car, or at least be period correct
Tires – open choice, 12mm width maximum measured at the bulge. Tires may be glued to the rims.
Motor – any motor up to 25K
Motor Configuration – open (inline, sidewinder, anglewinder)
Drive – 2 or 4 wheel drive allowed
Axles – open
Gearing – open
Body Screws – open
Guide – open, drop guides are allowed if the model you are using came with it
Motor Wires – open
Braid – open
Axle Spacers – open
Axle Stops – open
Any set up that differs from the above rules can be presented to the series manager for approval.
Set Up Rules
· Wheels/Tires cannot extend beyond the body when viewed from above.
· Weight – no limits, all weights must be in the inside of the car and not visible from the outside
· Magnets – not allowed
Chassis, motor pod, and drive gears must not contact or damage the track, braid, or timing system.
The guide cannot extend beyond the front of the car
Series RulesCars that start a series in one class must remain in that class for the duration of the series.
In order to preserve the sanity of the race managers, only one entry per class is permitted per event, per member.
Changing cars between stages is permitted.
The driver, not the car is being scored.
Concours Competition Rules· This series is meant to encourage scratch-building and kit-bashing.
· This series meant to encourage a varied field of cars just like the real Group B series.
· RTR cars are not eligible for the Concours.
· Every scratch-built car that competes in a round of the series is eligible to compete in the Concours competition.
· The Concours competition will take place after the final round.
· The Concours winner will be selected by votes cast by fans and followers on the club’s Facebook page. The winner will be the one with the most votes.
Here are the proposed rules for Group A
Group A Rules – Proposed
Race Fees: $5 Premium members, $10 Standard members; $15 guests
Track
ASCC Rally course.
Power
Adjustable
Direction
Decided on race day with the flip of a coin.
Eligible Cars
Eligible Cars for Group A
Audi Quattro – Fly, SRC, Team Slot
Lancia 037 – Fly, Ninco
Lancia Delta S4 – Scalextric, SRC
MG Metro 6R4 – Scalextric, Scaleauto, MSC
Renault R5 Turbo – Fly
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 – SRC, Ninco, Scalextric
Opel Manta – Avant Slot
Ford RS200 – Scalextric, Scaleauto, MSC
Porsche 959 – MSC, Scaleauto
Nissan 240RS – Avant Slot
Excluded Models
Ferrari 288 GTO
BMW M1
Porsche 911
Rules
Models – all the same cars from the Group B list.
Body – stock, no modifications, white kits allowed, painted bodies are eligible for the series concours.
Interior – stock full plastic interior, no modifications
Chassis – stock chassis, can be sanded, the gap between the body and the chassis cannot be wider than the width of a credit card.
Wheels – stock wheels – can be sanded to remove mold lines
Tires – open choice, 10mm width maximum measured at the bulge, tires must be no less than 19mm in diameter to keep scale appearance. Tires may be glued to the rims.
Motor – any that match the configuration of the chassis/motorpod, any 25K or less motor. The motor may be glued to the chassis to stop it from moving.
Motor Configuration – any, must be the stock configuration for the model
Drive – 2 or 4 wheel drive allowed
Axles – stock
Gearing – open
Body screws – open
Guide – open, drop guides are allowed if the model you are using came with it
Motor wires – open
Braid – open
Axle Spacers – open
Set Up Rules
· Wheels/Tires cannot extend beyond the body when viewed from above.
· Weight – no limits, all weights must be in the inside of the car and not visible from the outside
· Magnets – not allowed
Chassis, motor pod, and drive gears must not contact or damage the track, braid, or timing system.
The guide cannot extend beyond the front of the car
Series RulesCars that start a series in one class must remain in that class for the duration of the series.
In order to preserve the sanity of the race managers, only one entry per class is permitted per event, per member.
Changing cars between stages is permitted.
The driver, not the car is being scored.
Any set up that differs from the above rules can be presented to the series manager for approval.Attention All
Note as of 2-17-24 – The Slot.it G25 in the 11.3mm width was shown as an approved tire but that is not correct and it is no longer allowed to be used. This is in keeping with the 10mm width maximum rear tire rule.
Marty
Randy,
I would like to be involved with this series as well. It’s an era of rally racing I am especially passionate about.
The years Group B ran were from 1983 to 1986. 1987 on rally went to Group A rules due to the deaths created by the super-fast cars and terrible crowd control. Rally at this time was actually more popular than F1 and some of the cars were just as fast. I can’t wait for this series.
Randy – I would go with NSR motor wire. It is thin and very flexible. I have had great luck with it.
Marty
Holy cow! I just opened my Policar F1 Ferrari to work on the gears and here is what I found.
I had no idea the gearing for these cars was so complex. I hope I get it sorted out by this Saturdays race.
Mel,
I generally like to have the front tires just touch the track to help reduce some of the drag on the guide just a little bit. It’s a fine balance. If you have the tires riding up and all the pressure on the guide you might be slightly slower because of the friction/drag.
I agree with Russell’s statement – If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Many a slot car racer has fallen victim to messing with their car too much and watching the performance go backwards.
Best of luck with it!
Marty
All,
Due to the lack of durability in the stock BRM rear tires, the rules have been updated with a change to a required spec tire – Paul Gage, urethane, shore 20, part #XPG-21125LMDF. These tires are available from Slot Car Corner.
These tires will need to be glued to the rims, trued, and have their edges rounded to work well. These tires will not have the same level of grip as the stock tires but they will last significantly longer and be much easier to true.
The rules have been updated to reflect this change.
