2024 Q3 – Group B Rally Rules and Discussion

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    • #19478

      Placeholder for draft rules.

    • #19521
      Avatar photoRadial TA
      Participant

      I think Datto is penciled in as Manager.  I would like to be asst. manager.

      I ran narrow tire cars the first Monte Carlo races, but I don’t think I will run a narrow tire car this time.  I suggest we run this year, not as Monte Carlo, but general rally group B, open slot car specs that accepts all rally liveries, all tires, open motors, etc., just include a navigator and tires inside of the fenders.

    • #19522
      Avatar photoRadial TA
      Participant

      If we are following the process for designating race years we will be running 1983-1992.  Is 1983-1992 good for the group B years, or should we expand the years earlier or later for some special car(s) that are group B?

    • #19523
      Avatar photoporsche917
      Moderator

      Randy,

      I would like to be involved with this series as well.  It’s an era of rally racing I am especially passionate about.

      The years Group B ran were from 1983 to 1986.  1987 on rally went to Group A rules due to the deaths created by the super-fast cars and terrible crowd control.  Rally at this time was actually more popular than F1 and some of the cars were just as fast.  I can’t wait for this series.

       

    • #19524
      Avatar photoDatto
      Participant

      I am not manager as far as I know. I said I could assist.

    • #19525
      Avatar photoRadial TA
      Participant

      If we can find cars that don’t require extensive modification and 3D printing I would be OK with the 1983-1986 time period and no Monte Carlo connection required.

      Datto, you can take the series off if you want, but I love the photos you have been doing.  Maybe with the children and grandchildren playing sports Marty and I will miss some races so three managers may be a good plan.

      Did everyone get their letters/texts/emails to Santa for cars 12/25/23?

    • #19624
      Avatar photoporsche917
      Moderator

      I would like to propose that our Group B series be accompanied by is real-life companion the Group A series.  The rules for the Group B series are for the most part, unlimited whereas the Group A series rules would be much closer to stock.  This would allow members to run either of the series or both.  I am attaching the proposed rules for both series.  Please review them and provide any feedback on this forum.

      Group B Rules – Proposed

       

      Race Fees: $5 Premium members, $10 Standard members; $15 guests

       

      Track

      ASCC Rally course.

       

      Power

      Adjustable

       

      Direction

      Decided on race day with the flip of a coin.

       

      Eligible Cars

       

      Eligible Cars for Group B

      Audi Quattro – Fly, SRC, Team Slot

      Lancia 037 – Fly, Ninco

      Lancia Delta S4 – Scalextric, SRC

      MG Metro 6R4 – Scalextric, Scaleauto, MSC

      Renault R5 Turbo – Fly

      Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 – SRC, Ninco, Scalextric

      Opel Manta – Avant Slot

      Ford RS200 – Scalextric, Scaleauto, MSC

      Porsche 959 – MSC, Scaleauto

      Nissan 240RS – Avant Slot

       

      Excluded Models

      Ferrari 288 GTO

      BMW M1

      Porsche 911

       

      Rules

      Models – any car from the Group B list.

       

      Body – hard plastic, resin-cast or 3D printed bodies.  Painted hard plastic white kits are allowed.

       

      Interior – stock plastic or vacuum formed interiors.  No cardboard cutout interiors.  Vacuum formed interiors must be painted to show the driver and co-driver including their helmets, suits, and steering wheel.

       

      Chassis – stock chassis or 3D printed.  Can be reinforced.  Can be sanded, the gap between the body and the chassis cannot be wider than the width of a credit card.  Metal chassis are not allowed.

       

      Wheels – cannot be smaller than 14mm.  Cannot be wider than 10mm.  Cannot be narrower than 8mm

      Wheel Inserts – must be a good-faith effort to depict the wheels on the 1:1 race car, or at least be period correct

       

      Tires – open choice, 12mm width maximum measured at the bulge.  Tires may be glued to the rims.

       

      Motor – any motor up to 25K

       

      Motor Configuration – open (inline, sidewinder, anglewinder)

       

      Drive – 2 or 4 wheel drive allowed

       

      Axles – open

       

      Gearing – open

       

      Body Screws – open

       

      Guide – open, drop guides are allowed if the model you are using came with it

       

      Motor Wires – open

       

      Braid – open

       

      Axle Spacers – open

       

      Axle Stops – open

       

      Any set up that differs from the above rules can be presented to the series manager for approval.

       

      Set Up Rules

      ·         Wheels/Tires cannot extend beyond the body when viewed from above.

      ·         Weight – no limits, all weights must be in the inside of the car and not visible from the outside

      ·         Magnets – not allowed

      Chassis, motor pod, and drive gears must not contact or damage the track, braid, or timing system.
      The guide cannot extend beyond the front of the car
      Series Rules

      Cars that start a series in one class must remain in that class for the duration of the series.
      In order to preserve the sanity of the race managers, only one entry per class is permitted per event, per member.
      Changing cars between stages is permitted.
      The driver, not the car is being scored.
      Concours Competition Rules

      ·         This series is meant to encourage scratch-building and kit-bashing.

      ·         This series meant to encourage a varied field of cars just like the real Group B series.

      ·         RTR cars are not eligible for the Concours.

      ·         Every scratch-built car that competes in a round of the series is eligible to compete in the Concours competition.

      ·         The Concours competition will take place after the final round.

      ·         The Concours winner will be selected by votes cast by fans and followers on the club’s Facebook page.  The winner will be the one with the most votes.

       

      Here are the proposed rules for Group A

      Group A Rules – Proposed

       

      Race Fees: $5 Premium members, $10 Standard members; $15 guests

       

      Track

      ASCC Rally course.

       

      Power

      Adjustable

       

      Direction

      Decided on race day with the flip of a coin.

       

      Eligible Cars

       

      Eligible Cars for Group A

      Audi Quattro – Fly, SRC, Team Slot

      Lancia 037 – Fly, Ninco

      Lancia Delta S4 – Scalextric, SRC

      MG Metro 6R4 – Scalextric, Scaleauto, MSC

      Renault R5 Turbo – Fly

      Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 – SRC, Ninco, Scalextric

      Opel Manta – Avant Slot

      Ford RS200 – Scalextric, Scaleauto, MSC

      Porsche 959 – MSC, Scaleauto

      Nissan 240RS – Avant Slot

       

      Excluded Models

      Ferrari 288 GTO

      BMW M1

      Porsche 911

       

      Rules

      Models – all the same cars from the Group B list.

       

      Body – stock, no modifications, white kits allowed, painted bodies are eligible for the series concours.

       

      Interior – stock full plastic interior, no modifications

       

      Chassis – stock chassis, can be sanded, the gap between the body and the chassis cannot be wider than the width of a credit card.

       

      Wheels – stock wheels – can be sanded to remove mold lines

       

      Tires – open choice, 10mm width maximum measured at the bulge, tires must be no less than 19mm in diameter to keep scale appearance.  Tires may be glued to the rims.

       

      Motor – any that match the configuration of the chassis/motorpod, any 25K or less motor.  The motor may be glued to the chassis to stop it from moving.

       

      Motor Configuration – any, must be the stock configuration for the model

       

      Drive – 2 or 4 wheel drive allowed

       

      Axles – stock

       

      Gearing – open

       

      Body screws – open

       

      Guide – open, drop guides are allowed if the model you are using came with it

       

      Motor wires – open

       

      Braid – open

       

      Axle Spacers – open

       

      Set Up Rules

      ·         Wheels/Tires cannot extend beyond the body when viewed from above.

      ·         Weight – no limits, all weights must be in the inside of the car and not visible from the outside

      ·         Magnets – not allowed

      Chassis, motor pod, and drive gears must not contact or damage the track, braid, or timing system.
      The guide cannot extend beyond the front of the car
      Series Rules

      Cars that start a series in one class must remain in that class for the duration of the series.
      In order to preserve the sanity of the race managers, only one entry per class is permitted per event, per member.
      Changing cars between stages is permitted.
      The driver, not the car is being scored.
      Any set up that differs from the above rules can be presented to the series manager for approval.

       

       

       

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