[chapracer65]

Yes, either the GT40 or the Ferrari 512 would be eligible.  We allow fantasy liveries so the existing liveries would be OK.  I always like to encourage accurate liveries, though.

Russell

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Marty

Thanks for doing a deeper dive on Can Am entrants.  I had thought that when you asked about expanding the Can Am field to include 908/3s that actual Can AM entrants of the908/3 had not been documented.  When I was searching, I was looking mainly at races in 1969 and 1970 as that was when I thought the 908/3 could have run.  Clearly, the car shown did run Watkins Glen in 1972 and would be eligible to race in our Can Am.  The car, as liveried, would be preferred, as that was the way it ran, but other 908/3s (with “fantasy” liveries) would be eligible as well.

Again, sorry for going back and forth on the 980/3, but it can run.

Russell

[chapracer65]

I apologize for vacillating on the issue of the 908/3.  I thought that, at first glance, the 908/3 and the 908/2 had similar shapes, but I hadn’t seen the difference in sizes.  The 908/3 was a shorter wheelbase, much lighter car, just as you would want for the twisties in the Targa Florio.  In addition to the performance advantage it might have, the fact is, it did not race in the Can Am.  As an alternative, I think that the NSR 917/10K should be a good performer.

As to opening up the list to include endurance cars that ran that weekend, I have always said that the main criteria is that the car ran in the Can Am, at some point.  Those endurance cars and coupes that did run in the Can Am on Sunday are eligible.  However, if they ran in the endurance race but not the Can Am, they would not be eligible.

The rules are posted.

Thanks,

Russell

[chapracer65]

Race cars evolved from race to race.  The pictures of Porsche 908-2 I first looked at were earlier cars, which did look like the 908-3.  They had slab body sides and the fender tops on the “shoulders” were flat, without the dip between the fenders of the later cars, as in the #36 car.  I don’t know which versions campaigned in which Can-Am races, but my inclination is to be inclusive rather than exclusive, so I say they can run.

Russell

[chapracer65]

Yes, Thunderslots will not be allowed in the Can-Am series.  As to the Porsche 908/3, the 908/3 is very similar to the 908/2.  I don’t know if it matches up exactly, but I think it could pass as a 908/2 with alternate/fantasy livery.  I better option might be an NSR Porsche 917-10K .   I don’t have one of those but I believe the body is wider.

I should have the rules up soon.  I was waiting on feedback on the Thunderslots before pulling the trigger.

Russell

[chapracer65]

Concern has been expressed about the speed of the Thunderslot cars.  The Thunderslots are the fastest cars that we have run with fast laps in the 3.5 sec. range and may easily prevail in this Can-Am series. The first suggestion was to only allow cars from the 1970 to 1974 seasons.  This will not work because some Lola T70 cars were still running during this period.  It would seem that the only thing to do is not to allow Thunderslot cars in this Can-Am series.  The Thunderslot cars do have a clear edge in lap times.  The Slot.it McLarens are also quick, but not as quick at the Tslots.  Marty has provided a spreadsheet comparing this year’s Thunderslot series to 2019’s Slot.it McLaren series.

Keep in mind to discount my results in this year’s Thunderslot races as my car was illegal.  Also keep in mind that track conditions change and any cars and series may be faster or slower on any given day.

As the Thunderslots do seem to have a clear advantage, it does seem reasonable to exclude them from this year’s Can-Am.  The last time we ran Can-Am was 2014 and best times were in the 3.8 second range, running at 11 volts, so it is reasonable to expect them to be  faster now.

I would appreciate everyone’s input on this option of excluding the Thunderslot cars.

Thanks

Russell

 

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Brian

I have a Dremel 8220 I really like.  I to, prefer a cordless.  The 8220 is a little bulky but very powerful.  The 8260 looks to be an improved model.

Russell

[chapracer65]

What is the length the guides must be shortened to in order to make it around the tight corners?  I remember this being mentioned in a post somewhere, but I have been unable to find it.

Thanks

Russell

[chapracer65]

Hello all,

I did not notice that the Can Am option on the ballet specified 1970-1973.  My preference is to allow cars representing the entire series.  I think it would be interesting to see how Thunderslot Lolas and McLarens would fare against the later wide tire cars, such as an NSR Porsche 917-10.  I don’t know how much members counted on only 70-73 cars when they voted for Can Am.

Russell

[chapracer65]

2022 Series – Thunderslot Rules

Series Manager: Russell
Schedule: Q1 2022 (January-March) – see Google calendar for exact dates.

ThunderSlot was founded by Giovanni Montiglio, a designer from NSR who wanted to create a higher quality but more affordable product, based on design elements that proved successful at both NSR and Slot.It.  His inaugural offerings are LOLA T70 MK-III coupes and spyders that were successful in the late 1960s.  These cars have fantastic performance out-of-the-box. Components are high-quality including motors equivalent to Slot.It Orange-end-bells (21.5k), NSR style chassis and triangle motor pods, with durable lightweight bodies plus Lexan interiors.  The use of a similar platform and minimal modifications makes this both a driving and tuning challenge, weighted toward driver skill.

Final Rules*

Fees: Entrance fee per race is $5 for ASCC premium members, $10 for standard members and $15 for non-members.

Models

#2-Red-coupe Surtees/Hobbs-BOAC500 Brands Hatch 1967 (CA00101S/W)
#2-Yellow-coupe Bonnier/Axelsson-BOAC500 Brands Hatch 1968 (CA00102S/W)
#8-Blue-coupe Leslie/Motschenbacher-Daytona 24Hrs 1969 (CA00103S/W)
#30-Blue-spyder Gurney CANAM Bridgehampton 1966 (CA00201S/W)
#52-White-spyder Revson CANAM Laguna Seca 1967 (CA00202S/W)
White-kit coupe (CA001KS/W)
White-kit spyder/CanAm (CA002KS/W)
Other liveries available; fantasy liveries allowed.
The newer Thunderslot McLarens and McLaren-Elvas will be allowed this year.
Body

OEM Lexan interiors, hard driver, hard glass mandatory
Body must start every race with all major parts intact (e.g. windows, spoilers). Small parts lost in wrecks not required (e.g. antennas, mirrors, wipers, tow hooks)
Duplicate liveries must be unique -at least with different race numbers. Fantasy liveries allowed – white kits must be painted or decaled and have at least two numbers.
Body screws: OEM Torx-6 mandatory. Optionally taped.
Minor Trimming of wheel wells for tire clearance allowed. Excessive trimming determined by Scrutineer.
Motor

OEM 21,500rpm 175gm-cm motor (MTMach21) mandatory.  Wrapper or can-tattoos clearly identifying motor must be visible during inspection.
Modifications (rewinds, armature or magnet substitutions, zapping) prohibited.
OEM Can-end screws recommended to secure motor. Gluing allowed.
Chassis and Motor Pod

POD OEM Med (Black MTS001B) mandatory.
CHASSIS OEM Med (Black CHS001B) mandatory.
Re-enforcements allowed (styrene, piano wire, etc) but must be above chassis pan.
Although the OEM body has float -and naturally fits close to the chassis- MINOR trimming to permit float is allowed – however excessive gap prohibited.
Traction magnets prohibited. Ballast allowed, must be above chassis pan.
The small nub on the top of the motor pod directly behind the front motor pod mounting screw can be removed to more easily add ballast.
Any spacers on the front body mount posts may be used to provide clearance for tires or front spoilers.
Guide

OEM Guide (GU001) and new THGU00 deep wood guide allowed
Guide spacers – open choice.
Pick-up braids and motor-lead wires – open choice.
Gears

Pinions and spur gears are open choice
Pinion can be glued with Loctite Red (271)
Wheels

Front: OEM nylon wheels -or- Slot.IT 15X8 alloys (SIW15808215A) allowed.
Rear: OEM 15X10mm Alloy Wheels allowed (THRMR002AL) or (THRMR001AL)
OEM Inserts mandatory (can be painted)
Tires

Front: OEM Treaded 18X9mm (TYC001FR) or Upgrade low-grip16X9mm (TYR003FR) allowed Slot.IT SIPT-15 17×10 Zero Grips allowed.
Rear: OEM Treaded Tires (TYC002R) or Upgrade slick 19X10mm (TYR004R standard) allowed.
Tires may be glued; trued; edges profiled/camfered.
Traction compounds prohibited.  Tires cannot protrude beyond wheel-wells/fenders when viewed from above.
Axles

OEM axles mandatory.
Spacers/washers – open choice.
Front axle height adjustment grub screws – open choice.
Power  12 volts

General  If it is not mentioned – contact Series Manager for legality (BEFORE the first race).  Cars may be presented to Series Manager any time before the first race for a test inspection.
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[chapracer65]

Walt

Always happy to hear from new people.  This is certainly a challenging (and expensive) time to be building a home in the Austin area.  I hope everything goes well.

We would love to have alternative places to race (taking Covid concerns into account).  As Marty said, it has been tough for members to find spaces to set up tracks.  What kind of cars do you race?  brands? scales? etc.  As you can probably guess we are primarily a scale-oriented, hard plastic (or resin) club.  We do not generally run magnet cars but have done so occasionally.  Some members have run wing cars and/or brass chassis cars in the past and we do not rule anything out.  Most members are 1:1 racing fans first and scale racers second.  We are competitive by nature but are welcoming to visitors and new members and always try to be helpful.

As Marty said, looking forward to meeting you.

Russell

[chapracer65]

New NSR F1 rule

A new rule has been added to the NSR F1 Race Rules Page.  Maximum overall axle/tire width is 68mm.  This will be the limit for both rear and front axle/tires.  I hesitate calling it a track width because, usually, track width (at least on 1:1 cars) is defined as the width, wheel center to wheel center.  For our purposes we measure the overall width, which will be sidewall to sidewall.  There was no max width specified in the original rules.

With cars with enclosed bodies, the maximum width is limited to the width of the body (and adjustments made if a car’s body is out of scale).  With open wheel cars, we should probably always have a max width specified.

This new rule will be implemented with NSR F1 race #3; the results of the first two races will stand, as they were raced with the rules at the time.

[chapracer65]

So is the “standard NSR sized grub screw” the NSR 1238 M2.5 grub screw or the NSR 4809 M3 grub screw?

Russell

[chapracer65]

I think that the rules for the Monte Carlo series should be somewhat loose concerning wheel/tire width/track width.  There are a lot of unknowns with the rally track for car size, width and so on.  A small car with little wheels/tires may well outrun a larger car with wide tires.  Keeping things open for the first races will allow for experimentation to find out what works.  The balance between tire grip for the straights versus the cars sliding in the handbrake turns will be interesting.

Russell

[chapracer65]

The Tyco track I built for our son has 1/4″ masonite between all the track sections, but it would add weight to the track.  I don’t think the track edge/border would be too much of a problem unless you were running magnetless cars.

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