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All – the proposed rules for the upcoming Racer Sideways Group 5 series are posted below. Please list any questions or concerns on this forum.
Racer Sideways Group 5 Series
Fees
Entrance fee per race is $5 for ASCC members and $10 for non-members.
All Racer Sideways Group 5 Models Allowed
· Ferrari 512BB
· Lancia Stratos
· Lancia Beta Montecarlo
· BMW M1
· BMW 320i
· Ford Mustang
· Ford Capri
· Porsche 935 K2
· Porsche Moby Dick
· Toyota Celica
· Nissan Skyline
Body and Interior
Modifications to the body or interior are prohibited.
Sanding of the body in any way is not allowed
OEM hard cockpits and glass are mandatory
Lexan cockpits prohibited.
Body must start every race with all major parts intact (e.g. windows and wings). Antennas, mirrors, wipers, tow hooks, and other small parts damaged from accidents do not have to be replaced.
Wings must be on the car for the start of the heat.
White kits are allowed but must be painted (or decaled uniquely) with at least one coat of paint. At least two numbers must be visible.
Body screws open choice.
Body screws may be taped to prevent loss. If a screw falls off the car and causes an issue with a competitor’s car a five lap penalty will be applied.
Wheel/tire must not be visible outside wheel-well/fender of the car when viewed from above.Chassis
Only the chassis designed for the model may be used.
The chassis may be sanded to allow for body float. The gap between the chassis and body may not be wider than the width of a credit card.Motor
Slot.it or NSR s-can motors that produces up to 23K rpm at 12 Volts are allowed.
Modifications to motor (arm or magnet substitutions prohibited).Motor Pod
Inline s-can motor orientation mandatory.
All off-sets allowed.
Only flashing may be removed from motor pod to allow better float. Excessive removal of material determined by scrutineer.
Slot.it stop/axle collars allowed. Spacers/washers open choice.
Slot.it spherical bushings mandatory.
Motor pod screws are open choice.
Tape may be used to prevent the Pod Screws from falling out.Suspension
Spring and magnetic suspension packages are not allowed.
Braid
Open choice. Any braid may be used.
Motor Wire
Open choice. Any motor wire may be used.
Guide
The stock or any Slot.it guide may be used.
Gears
Slot.it in-line crown gears and pinions are mandatory.
Gear ratio is open-choice.
Modifications to crowns or pinions is prohibitedWheels
Stock or Slot.it wheels of equivalent sizes are allowed.
Racer Sideways wheel inserts are mandatory.
Inserts may be interchanged from different models.
Modifications prohibited.Axles
Only the stock or solid Slot.it axles allowed.
Modifications to axles prohibited.
Hollow axles are not allowed.
Slot.it independent front axle kit is not allowed.Tires
Only the stock or Slot.it tires are allowed.
Tires may be glued to the wheels, trued and have their edges rounded.
Traction compounds prohibited.
Nail polish or CA glue on front tires is not allowed.Weight
Maximum weight is 105 grams.
Minimum weight is 70 grams.
Ballast is allowed. Ballast must be inside the car. No ballast is allowed under the chassis. Ballast may be glued or taped. Ballast should not be visible from the outside of the car. If ballast finds its way off the car, a 5 lap penalty will be imposed if it causes an issue with a competitor’s car.Track Power: 11v
Magnets
Magnets are expressly forbidden.
General
If it is not mentioned it is not legal. These rules were written to create a fair event and not for racers to look for loopholes.
Randy – Great question. The main reason was to limit the number of differences between the cars so people would not have to spend more money or more time going to the track to try out different options to find the best set up. It’s better in these proxy races if the parts can be kept as similar as possible between all the runners. I thought everyone would have a short can they could use as those are the same motors we use for just about every other series we run.
The last Group 5 race had rules that were much more open and allowed racers many options to find the fastest car – just like the real Group 5 rules.
Marty
The last Group 5 rules were great for racers to learn with different motors, tires . This just makes it another slot it race. There are no F30 s to find so all we have is 22 to run. It would be great to open this back up.
I understand your point of this being just another Slot It race and you are somewhat correct. The idea is to have a series that is easier for everyone to set up their cars for by making as many of the items as similar to those the majority have already worked with – Slot It cars and parts.
The series will be very different than Group C or DTM as the cars are very different and the set up will be different. The parts will be similar but that is where it stops. Proxy races are not the time to give participants multiple parts options as it just makes setting the car up that much more difficult to say nothing about the short time frame everyone is under to get a car ready for the first race on the 9th of January.
I am all for races where there are multiple options for cars and parts but now is not the time. Once we get through COVID we can get back to more “open” style series races.
On the F30 tires – I just checked the popular slot car retailers and almost all of them have F30’s in-stock.
Professor Motor – only two sets of 4 left in stock
Electric Dreams – 12 sets of 4
132slotcar.us – 10 sets of 4
LEB Hobbies – has them in-stock
Cloverleaf Racing and Slot Car Corner – No longer stocking all the Slot It tires as they are promoting their own Quick Slick and Paul Gage tire lines
Its not easier when I have to rebuild my car from top to bottom. Last time I used lexan interior now I can’t find the original . They don’t have 30s that are any good I’ve already showed you that I have three unopened packages at my house that turn to gum when I true them. The last ones I bought were from 132 and there nothing but crap.
One of the reason we voted for this race is because we had cars ready to go. As of now I can’t race. You guys have fun.
Even though Butch beat RadialTA regularly, last year, I was prepared to race him again. Now I am gathering parts to rebuild a car I liked.
David – Sorry you see it that way. Would you prefer the tire choice to be open to NSR tires? I have been truing F30 tires with no problem. I have to take off only a small amount of rubber at a time and it takes much longer to true them but I am still able to do it. You could always run N22’s.
I hope you are not putting the cars in parc ferme between races. That would be discouraging. I have no idea if my Capri is competitive until I get a clean track and competition runs.
Randy – Everyone will be able to work on their cars between races for the Group 5 race as well.
We didn’t keep the cars in parc ferme while running the Thunderslot proxy. We kept them in parc ferme only for the Slot It DTM race because the folks from Houston would not be able to work on their cars so to keep it fair we did not work on our cars between the races.
F-30/SIPT28 ISSUE
The problem David was referring to is that the Slot.IT F-30s (SIPT28) – with a 2018 Date, seem to be gummy and marble/shed easier than earlier versions. They do not tolerate Lighter-fluid well, for example when dressing the tires before a round or heat. They *look* good in your hand then marble up on the track, taking 3 to 7 laps to shed and then true themselves on the track, (then after 50 laps they started to shed & chunk[1]) While being trued they seem to absorb -and retain- the L/F more than older versions.
The date sticker is on the lower right hand of the hanger-card face, below the label and bar-code. Previous versions did not seem to have a date. King’s last batch of F30s were 2018s.
Many online vendors still have these tires in stock (but you will not know if you are getting the 2018s until you open the shipping box).
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Like Dave, most of my ‘fresh’, bagged F30s are the 2018 versions. They shed dramatically during the 2020 DTM Proxy. After every round they became out-of-true due to lost material [1]. After round-3 my tires were toast."... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseMark
Thanks for the info. I have never had a problem truing F30s (F15s, yes. F 22, sometimes) but in checking my supply I see that I have older F30s, some dated 2015 and some 2012. Are all the 2018 and later tires the new, problematic compound?
Russell
“Russell – Are all the 2018 and later tires the new, problematic compound?”
YES-The older vintage do not seem to marble or shed like the 2018 versions. Not sure if any 2019 or newer are affected.The 2018s have a noticeable white sticker on them, so they are easy to ID.
When truing the 2018 F30s, do not use Lighter-fluid. When smoothing/dressing before a heat, only use lighter-fluid on a rag with a light rub.
"... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseI have had issues truing the tires but they can still be trued. They do take more time to true and you have to keep an eye on them. I still use lighter fluid on them with no issues.
I am using a Hudy truer with a diamond drum. I clean the drum with a Wright Way drum cleaner a couple of times during the truing process to make sure I am removing as much of the tire residue as possible.
The big question here is – what is the solution? Are people requesting to run NSR or someother tires?
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