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First pass at the rules. They won’t change a ton from here, but wanted to show the group what we’ve come up with and let you hash-out what you see fit to hash out. Marc and I will be reasonably receptive…to a point. 🙂
Eligible Cars.
- Any of the current range of Policar GP cars listed on this page, with the exception of the monposto cars: https://www.policar.it/formula-1/
1972 Ferrari 312 B2
1970 Lotus 72, 72E, 72D
1970, 1971 March 701
1971 BRM P160 - 80’s Ferrari models coming available currently are not eligible for inclusion. In the event other 70’s models appear between now and the series, they will be considered on a case by case basis.
Liveries.
- Cars may race in the original Policar liveries or may be repainted if desired. While real 70’s liveries are desired, all one has to do is look at F1 in the 70’s to come across Lord Hesketh’s cars…so paint ’em as you like ’em.
Body shell
- Must be original Policar and be as complete as possible.
Front and Rear wings, glass and driver head must be securely attached to the car at the start of every race. - All parts shipped with the car will be required at the beginning of the race season. Minor modifications of the parts can be performed to deal with poor fit. If parts break during the season, the general expectation is that the parts will be repaired – within reason. Requests to exclude a part from a car during the season due to terminal breakage must be brought to the series managers and a decision will be made.
- Parts may be glued in place as desired.
- Body screws are open.
Chassis & Motor pod.
- All cars must use a genuine Policar F1 motor mount and gear box assembly. Part numbers PC-H01, PC-H01as, PC-H03, PC-H03as.
- MINOR modifications are permitted to these mounts to make them fit. What constitutes “minor” is up to the judgment of the series managers so ask before you begin modifying.
- Chassis and body screws may be loose or removed as desired.
- Grub screws may be fitted in the holes provided at the front of the chassis to set the front axle height.
Motor
- All cars must be powered by Policar PMX01 25000 RPM motor.
Gears & Rear Axle
- All cars must use genuine Policar gears & rear axle. The optional Policar rear axle ratios are permitted.
Wheels & Tyres
- Front wheels must be original that came with the car.
- Front track width must remain standard.
- Front tires must be part PPT1220C1.
- Front tyres may be glued and trued.
- Rear wheels must be the plastic originals or the Policar aluminium replacement parts no PWH1234-AL or PW16011724A. Note that Lotus 72E and 72D will be required to change their rear wheel and tire type.
- All wheels must have inserts that match on all 4 corners.
- Overall width of rear, measured over the rear wheels and tyres (bulge to bulge on mounted tire) must not exceed 62mm.
- Rear tyres may be one of these Policar options (PPT1310C1, PPT1219C1 PPT1219F22) OR any other tire that matches the maximum width measurement for the tires above (measurement method and size being verified). Measurement will be taken from mounted tire, bulge to bulge.
- Rear tyres may be glued, trued and chamfered if desired.
- PROHIBITED: Traction compounds. Glazing of front tires with Nail Polish or Super-Glue/CA
Guide
- Must be a genuine Policar guide to the same specification as supplied with the car.
- Braids & Lead Wire are free choice.
Additional Weight
- Weight may be added inside the car only.
- No weight will be allowed underneath the chassis and any added weight must not be visible outside the car.
Track Power
- Currently under consideration. Suggest 11 volts.
--Stabn'Steer
For all – Myself and Mark are narrowing down the expectations for the rules and I hope to have a draft by the end of this week. The main plan will be to limit the overall rear track of the cars to a specific caliper measurement (tire bump to tire bump) and the width of the tire will also be specified (but there will not be a spec tire). This should allow the use of any of the cars linked in Marty’s post above and allow for creative tire options.
I lament the new Ferrari 126 is not legal because it is just too cool. Not to mention it is SOOO darn wide that it would be impossible to get it to fit within the rules. That thing is about as wide as a 1/24 scale car!
All the detailed, fragile bits on these cars are going to be an issue. There is a huge array of detail to these cars which makes it very difficult to give a blanket statement about what must be fitted that will work for every car as some are very detailed and others less-so. Stuff is going to break and the fiddly rear sway bars and such are a pain to maintain. I’m open to suggestions, but I’m leaning toward only requiring the in-tact one-piece monocoque, wings, driver head, and glass to be in place and everything else is up to you whether you wish to maintain it. Thoughts?
--Stabn'Steer
Personally, the 40 is a real mental test…30 would just not be the same. And we’d not really be saving all that much time.
--Stabn'Steer
Randy Wrote:
David and Erik, did you run the Policar f1’s with the plastic wheels? Did you true them? Do you expect to use the correct size aluminum wheels to be able to true the tires? Erik, what brand tire truer do you have? What volts were you running the cars?
Answers:
Yes – I used the stock plastic wheels on non-trued tires. I did purchase the aluminum wheels and replacement F22 tires for the car, but have not done anything with them yet. My tire truer is a Tire Razor – haven’t tried putting the wheels/tires on it…but I think it will work. We were running the cars at 12v.
--Stabn'Steer
Ha! This is why, last night as David and I ran our (mostly) out of the box Policars that my Ronnie Peterson Lotus was so quick on stock tires. I’ll go ahead and shrink my tire profile a bit. 🙂
BTW, they’re really good just out of the box…and so dern purdy.
--Stabn'Steer
Since the Policar Vintage F1 liveries are limited, I doubt we’ll want to force everyone to have unique ones…but I am claiming Ronnie Peterson’s Lotus 72E number 1, just in case. 🙂
Ronnie was my first racing hero after all…
--Stabn'Steer
Curious…did you find new tires for those somewhere? I have been seeking the 1/32 M1 tires for a while (for my home set) and they’re all out of stock everywhere I look…
--Stabn'Steer
Grrr…lots of Saab models at 1/43. Can’t find a single one at 1/32 (except for a resin 96 by Oscar Models that is apparently not being sold anywhere). A Sonett II would also be cool, but nothing but 1/43. The search continues…
--Stabn'Steer
Yow! That would make for quite a hefty “Junkyard” sale on eBay. Shipping would be a booger, though.
--Stabn'Steer
Cheese and Chianti (but only bottles with raffa on the outside) are highly encouraged. I’m loath to require headlights since many of the cars cannot support them (at least, the NSR Porsches don’t have light boxes or clear lenses and would have to mount something like a rally car on the front of their vehicles). Considering we don’t have magnets, I don’t think scattering a loose surface all over the track is a good idea, let alone needing to clean it up later. I do have some ideas for future events that will be announced if we can make them work. I am planning some discussions with our timing and scoring team…so stay tuned.
--Stabn'Steer
Hmmm…can’t really tell from the pic how that is supposed to break-in brushes…where do they go?
--Stabn'Steer
Hmmm…the Targa was heavily recce’d, and the only rally out there that is seat-of-your-pants-read-the-pace-notes-for-the-first-time is SCCA (the rally drivers with REAL cojones).
A quote from Vic Elford about the Targa, ““By 1968, the track was etched into my memory; you could literally have blindfolded me and dropped me somewhere along the route by helicopter, and I could have told you where we were, what the next corner was, and which gear I’d be in.”
So…in the spirit of the real Targa, any recce would be acceptable. However, opening up the rally track is a multi-person activity…so having scheduled sessions is certainly helpful…but as manager, I can’t say I have any objection to running practice at any time there are 2 people around with an interest.
--Stabn'Steer
Soooo…I wonder why is the 427 being excluded for being a 427 Cobra. Wikipedia (I know…maybe not the be-all source) says the 427 Cobra Daytona coupe Chassis # CSX2299 raced in the tourist trophy of 1964.
I have the monogram model of this car. The Wikepedia article mentions the paint schemes used in 64 and 65…my model is plainly the 65 paint scheme, although the CAR itself is the same run in 1964 TT. If the paint job is an issue, I can repaint it (to a fantasy livery…I don’t have the patience to create the original scheme!).
The rear track is approximately 56mm.
Is it legal?
And to make it more interesting, I’m probably warped enough to try to make this front-motored slot car work so I don’t have to build some way of getting the motor under the driver compartment. This will almost certainly make it noncompetitive, but hey…I love a challenge!
--Stabn'Steer
- Any of the current range of Policar GP cars listed on this page, with the exception of the monposto cars: https://www.policar.it/formula-1/
