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  • in reply to: Monte Carlo Rally ’61-’71 Series – Car Builds #17516
    Datto
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    It’s a Saab, so I figured go weird, or go home. Printed 16 body is reinforced with fiberglass, and pictures is first prototype of a FWD angle winder chassis. I wonder how, or if it will go!

    Saab-body-and-chassis-1

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    in reply to: Monte Carlo Rally ’61-’71 Series – Car Builds #17501
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    Here is one of the cars I plan to run, a 1961 Corvair

    I have a running car, or I had, anyway. The 3D printing resin I have ben using takes beautiful detail, but is brittle. I reinforced the horizontal surfaces (Front trunk lid, roof and rear deck but a fall to the floor found the weakness.

    I started out trying to make vac-form tool for glazing with clay, but decided to do it in the ‘puter

    Chevrolet-Corvair-Sedan-1960-1

    broken

    Vair-glazing

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    Datto
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    Monte Rules third draft

    Monte Carly Rally Revival 1961-1971 Innovation and Controversy
    The Monte Carlo Rally was begun in 1911 to showcase advances in automotive technology, and to promote Monaco as a tourist destination. The decade between 1961, and ’71 developed into a contentious arms-race of creative engineering, and creative interpretation of rules.

    This is builders series designed to encourage scratch-building and kit-bashing, but RTR cars are welcome .

    To be held on ASCC Rally track
    One of the aims of this series is to see a variety of cars and approaches.

    Cars eligible:
    Any car that ran the Monte between 1961, and 1971 Entrants should have some info and documentation on this. Cars should be a reasonable 1/32 depiction of the prototype.

    Classes:
    Entries will be divided into 2 classes
    Class A: Cars with rear tire width (at bulge) 9mm and wider. Motor choice is open
    Class B: Card with rear tire width (at bulge) under 9mm. Motors limited to 18k RPM and lower

    Multiple entries are permitted, but each entry will require a unique driver persona for the scoring software.

    Model configuration:
    Any hard plastic injection molded or resin cast 1/32model. (No vacuum formed shells) RTR slot cars /shells are allowed, but are not eligible for Concours.
Cars must have interior tray (Vac form permitted) and figures for driver (with steering wheel) and navigator. Fantasy liveries allowed, but must be true to the period.

    Chassis/Drive configuration
    Chassis: Any plastic or printed chassis. May be stiffened/reinforced.
    Motor:
    ClassA: Open to all commercially available, unmodified motors.
    Class B: Open to all commercially available, unmodified motors rated at or below 18k rpm
    Guide/braid/motor leads: open
    Gearing: open
    Axles, front/rear: open
    Ballast permitted, no weight limit imposed.
    Ground clearance: Must not damage track, copper tape or timing system.

    Wheels/Tires:
    Wheels to be a good faith effort to depict wheels on prototype vehicles. Wheels/tires must* not protrude beyond wheel arches as viewed from above. (If prototype car had wheels protruding beyond arches, documentation must be provided to scrutineer, and must be to scale) Wheel inserts or wheels with scale detail are required. Maximum tire with front and rear (at bulge)
    Class A: 9mm and above
    Class B less than 9mm)
    Tire diameter should be scale to prototype within 10% after truing. Rubber or urethane tires allowed. Coating of front tires with nail varnish or C/A, etc. is allowed.
    SILICONE TIRES PROHIBITED.

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    -Warren Zevon

    Datto
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    If we go with Predator motors I need a sidewinder for the Mustang, a long can for the Porsche, and a slim long ff for the mini.

    If Marc gets a deal with Slot Car Corner on the Predators, then we need to order early (X date in Jan?) and everyone “in on the deal” should order what they need from Marc, so he does not have to cast-the-dice to determine how many FF, FC130, FK180 motors are needed (not a time or cost-effective approach 🙁
    RACER
    Brand/Model/Livery/Team/#/Year
    MOTOR TYPE (FF, FC130, FK180)
    RPM
    QTY Needed
    I also recommend we do Not randomly state motor requirements in a series of posts. On a certain date Marc could text/email us (or collect in a specific meeting) and create a single table from which to order from SCC. Otherwise there is a risk someone’s requirements will be missed or mis-interpreted and then the fireworks begin 🙁
    Ditto for wheels and tyres, if we later consider a mass-order approach on those (say to get a deal on CB Design wheels).

    It might be best for encouraging participation and variety toped up the motor category
    Steve at SCC was wiling to part with 10 motors, total, and as you say, determining the mix would be a moving target.

    Randy, RE: concours, I think the idea of requiring only one race for eligibility is a good one.
    If your scratch or kit bash car participated, it is eligible

    RE: lights. The photo of the Z Marty sent me looks like it has 5 inch rally lights (assuming the sealed beam headlights are 7 inch) That would make for 5.5mm lights. Are there any other sizes, I should be considering making up?

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    Datto
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    I will be making up some rally lights for folks to use on their builds (thanks for the suggestion, Mark)

    I could make up solid bits that you paint oand stick on, or I could make lights with clear vac-form lenses that require some assembly.

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    Datto
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    We would need to find a wheel/tire that will work for a Mini as well as a 911. Of course we could mandate the mini wheels/tires for every car, I suppose.

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    in reply to: 2021–NSR Formula 86/89 #17147
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    Getting the rear track (tire wall to wall) out to 68mm yesterday was quite a trial finding the right combo of spacers.  I am hoping it was worth it.  I did also change the front tire/wheel combo to the optional setup.  This car could have been an excellent class strictly out of the box, as shipped, and save your time and energy instead of all of the mods we are making.  rant completed.

    For some of us, the puttering is a big part of the fun.

    Basswood-body-carving-1

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    -Warren Zevon

    Datto
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    I have some Slot.It 1.5mm pinions if somebody needs them. Do not use Policar pinions, they are a different pitch.

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    -Warren Zevon

    Datto
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    1.5mm ID Pinions are available but can be tricky to find.

    A little tricky but hot nearly as tricky to get as some of the tires we have been required to run 🙂

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    -Warren Zevon

    Datto
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    Noted about inserts. I will check the Tourist Trophy rules and see how Russ put it.

    I have talked to Steve at Slot Car Corner. Is interested in a sponsorship. and supplying 10 (17.5k to 18k) motors. We will need to decide how to divide that 10 among:

    Slimline

    S-Can

    Long Can

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    • This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by Datto.
    • This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by Datto.
    Datto
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    Here is a second draft of rules after some input, and edited to be more concise. There is an asterisk after some contentious items.

    Monte Carly Rally Revival
    Rules second draft

    To be held on ASCC Rally track
    One of the aims of this series is to see a variety of cars and approaches.

    Cars eligible:
    Any car that ran the Monte between 1961, and 1971 Entrants should have some info and documentation on this. Cars should be a reasonable 1/32 depiction of the prototype.

    Multiple entries are permitted, but each entry will require a unique driver persona for the scoring software.

    Model configuration:
    Any hard plastic injection molded or resin cast 1/32model. (No vacuum formed shells) RTR slot cars /shells are allowed, but must run spec motor, and are not eligible for Concours.
Cars must have interior tray (Vac form permitted) and figures for driver (with steering wheel) and navigator. Fantasy liveries allowed, but must be true to the period.

    Chassis/Drive configuration
    Chassis: Any plastic or printed chassis. May be stiffened/reinforced.
    Motor: any unmodified PREDATOR motor rated at or below 18k rpm
    Guide/braid/motor leads: open
    Gearing: open
    Axles, front/rear: open
    Ballast permitted, no weight limit imposed.
    Ground clearance: Must not damage track, copper tape or timing system.

    Wheels/Tires:
    Wheels to be a good faith effort to depict wheels on prototype vehicles. Wheels/tires must* not protrude beyond wheel arches as viewed from above. (If prototype car had wheels protruding beyond arches, documentation must be provided to scrutineer, and must be to scale) Wheel inserts are required. Maximum tire with front and rear (at bulge) 8mm•. Tire diameter should be scale to prototype within 10% after truing. Rubber or urethane tires allowed. Coating of front tires with nail varnish or C/A, etc. is allowed.
    SILICONE TIRES PROHIBITED.

    Scoring
    A series of 6* stages will be held on the ASCC rally track.
    Each stage will carry X points per finishing place
    An Index of Performance (under review) will be applied after applicable info is gathered, and will carry X points per (adjusted) finishing place

    Both posts totals will carry forward toward final score*

    Concours to be judged by third party if possible. Points will apply to final score.

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    -Warren Zevon

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 4 weeks ago by Datto.
    Datto
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    John was wanting to use F30 tires. Can they be shaved down to 8mm reasonably easily.

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    -Warren Zevon

    Datto
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    I can see no reason why front axle treatment should not be wide open.
    A good opportunity to see what works.

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    -Warren Zevon

    Datto
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    For me, personally, spec events are much more difficult, as there is so little wiggle room.

    I’m a pretty poor driver, so I look for other opportunities to perform.

    On tires: Every fiber of my being wants to keep the width to 8mm max, to keep this a scale series, but I don’t want to chase people away.

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    -Warren Zevon

    Datto
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    Fair enough. Just thinking out loud.

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