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See post Post 17112There is also: BRM S-117, shore-30-22mm-Dia x 9mm-Width
/* not sure how available they are */plus .. across the pond PSR may have many options to support their Penelope Pitlane kits.
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Sammy with MontroseDifference between the Fly Porsche 911 and the Monogram Porsche 904. There are not only big differences in the width of the cars, there are big differences in the width of the stock tires. Having said that, you can get a 3D chassis for the Monogram Porsche 904 that will allow you to use hubless 10mm width wheels and tires.
I think the best way to avoid the tire and car width issue is to mandate a tire width. Find a tire-wheel combination that works and mandate that. You can also adjust the rear track on most cars to bring them all very close to the same rear width. The wider bodies will look really funny with the wheels pushed all the way in but that is a way to level the playing field.
I prefer to limit the cars by having mandatory parts requirements more than a random calculation to level the performance of cars.
Marc – you are the expert with these smaller “build” cars and are better equipped than the rest of us to suggest a specific wheel/tire make, model and size. Throw something out and let’s see how it works.
We would need to find a wheel/tire that will work for a Mini as well as a 911. Of course we could mandate the mini wheels/tires for every car, I suppose.
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-Warren ZevonI will be making up some rally lights for folks to use on their builds (thanks for the suggestion, Mark)
I could make up solid bits that you paint oand stick on, or I could make lights with clear vac-form lenses that require some assembly.
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-Warren ZevonI have plenty of lights on my Austin Mini Cooper and covered lights on the Porsche 914. I have cobbled together two bits of plastic to look like covered lights to add to my Mustang. If you are making something more like lights that are just covered I could use a total of 4 for my Mustang.
I also ripped the rally driver and navigator out of a Lancia that have helmets and intercom microphones.
I’ll bring three cars Saturday for inspection.
I have the correct aluminum wheels, inserts and tires for my Mini Cooper so that I can true the tires.
I intend to run the SRC 914 as delivered with low profile 8.5mm front tires and 9mm rear slicks. Who would run a Monte Carlo race on slicks? The wheels are beautiful so I’m running those wheels and would like to use the tires. I would change all tires to a narrower width like 8mm, as long as they have what I measure as 5mm rib.
The Mustang is an undecorated Pioneer car with nice mag wheels for a Trans Am car, but I am buying CD Design steely wheels appropriate for the ones on the Mustang rally cars according to photos online. It has 8.5mm front and 10mm rear tires with tread pattern, but I will change to 8mm wide front and rear IF that is what we decide. The 8.5mm tires look much more scale like for a rally tire on the Mustangs online. SCC has urethane tires narrow enough for 8mm.
If we go with Predator motors I need a sidewinder for the Mustang, a long can for the Porsche, and a slim long ff for the mini.
I am more and more convinced we should have two classes of cars based on some “R1” group like 3d chassis/wide stance/wide tires/low body and “R2” group with stock chassis/narrow stance/narrow tires/high body. That would allow an all out ASCC 3D style assault on the rally and a more scale car race. My Mini would race R2with almost stock size components, and my Porsche could be my second car with R1 wide components. The real full size rally championships have had motor divisions, but I would let the slot car motor be open. (and that is what I learned at the UT Law School dispute resolution (mediation) classes the City sent me to) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_R
I think the myriad of options and hence grouping of regulations, makes a two-class system viable. Series standings would be according to the classes.
Since we are only counting lowest ET per 40-lap heats, that simplifies the Points counting.
Since we are also doing single car heats, there is not an issue of competing directly against a different class.
To start the series, we have the Concours, and points assigned (These could be held in secret by Marc/SM until the series end). However, this would prevent late (mid) entry of cars (for the Concours), assuming the Concours would require all cars present so they can be ranked.
Then, per round, a car is registered in the class (which cannot change) and points are allocated according to Place within the class."... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
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If Marc gets a deal with Slot Car Corner on the Predators, then we need to order early (X date in Jan?) and everyone “in on the deal” should order what they need from Marc, so he does not have to cast-the-dice to determine how many FF, FC130, FK180 motors are needed (not a time or cost-effective approach 🙁
RACER
Brand/Model/Livery/Team/#/Year
MOTOR TYPE (FF, FC130, FK180)
RPM
QTY Needed
I also recommend we do Not randomly state motor requirements in a series of posts. On a certain date Marc could text/email us (or collect in a specific meeting) and create a single table from which to order from SCC. Otherwise there is a risk someone’s requirements will be missed or mis-interpreted and then the fireworks begin 🙁
Ditto for wheels and tyres, if we later consider a mass-order approach on those (say to get a deal on CB Design wheels)."... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseConcourse
I remember a series years ago that had a concourse, or best livery I think was the name, and it was for any car raced at least once. I believe the award was not available to a car that had won the best livery previously. No secret ballot held secret until the end of the series. I may enter a Mustang from a white kit with numerous substituted parts, and find it is not competitive, when I finish it and enter it near the middle of the series. The time could be dropped but the livery could be judged.
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It might be best for encouraging participation and variety toped up the motor category
Steve at SCC was wiling to part with 10 motors, total, and as you say, determining the mix would be a moving target.Randy, RE: concours, I think the idea of requiring only one race for eligibility is a good one.
If your scratch or kit bash car participated, it is eligibleRE: lights. The photo of the Z Marty sent me looks like it has 5 inch rally lights (assuming the sealed beam headlights are 7 inch) That would make for 5.5mm lights. Are there any other sizes, I should be considering making up?
"Enjoy every sandwich"
-Warren ZevonI found some front lights at Pendleslot made by PCS as well as TeamSlot. The pictures show the TeamSlot version where the lights are in a bonnet/grill mounted version and the PCS loose mounted versions are available in pairs.
I could use 4 individual driving lights 7mm dia. or less. I am sing them 2 in the Mustang grill and one on each lower front valence. The Mustang has little turn signal holes on the valence below the headlights that are just 1mm dia., so a little stalk on the back of the driving light would be helpful for mounting. My other cars have 6 lights each already, and the Mini has one on the back hatch.
(I heard more Monte Carlo build talk yesterday during intermissions between races that indicates some existing Porsche 914 owners might be building other more original/unique cars. My black Cobra Goodwood car was malfunctioning, so I put my Mini on the track and was quickly black flagged. Ha Ha.)
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