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  • #18665
    Avatar photoBellator
    Keymaster

      Post ’em when you have them!

      Please post the car you plan to campaign to help others in the ordering of their car, if they don’t yet have it in hand.  🙂

      B

      Build it strong.
      Keep it simple.
      Make it work.
            (Leroy Grumman)

      #18666
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      Keymaster

        I am planning on running the Jacky Ickx Ferrari 312B2 from the 1971 Zandvoort grand prix.  Jacky Ickx won the race from Pedro Rodriguez in his Yardley BRM by only 0.04 seconds!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCIcTz5DpM4

        #18667
        Avatar photoStabnSteer
        Participant

          And I have the Ronnie Peterson JPS Lotus.

          --Stabn'Steer

          #18668
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          Keymaster

            Lotus 72 Germany 1970 Jochen Rindt

            Series managers – I have this car and though I’m planning on running the Ferrari I thought I would do some work to prepare this car to run.  I have to say this car is a pain in the butt.  All of the intricate parts at the rear of the car are not only too fragile but also rub on the rear axle.   I have had pieces fall off, rear disc brake on one side, one side of the roll bar, and another part that I don’t know what it was.  These parts look amazing and make the car look very realistic but the parts are also way too fragile.  I bring this up as I am curious how many of these parts will have to be on the car for it to pass inspection to run.

            #18669
            Avatar photoJay
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              I plan on running the March 701 with a custom livery think

              dreams at the moment

              #18670
              Avatar photoJay
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                oops

                #18673
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                Keymaster

                  From John B.

                  For those of you who have not taken a Policar Vintage F1 car apart,  I want to give you fair warning, be careful!  Take out the 2 nose screws, the back two screws by the motor and the small brass screw behind the axle.  That is all!  5 screws total.  All have washers. When you lift the body with the engine together, the rear portion of the exhaust below the axle will slide or pop out of the headers.  That portion is held by the rear brass screw.   Shown below is a top view of the chassis,  a bottom view and the body with engine.  Take your time or you will break something.    Here is a good You Tube video on how to do it and tune the car.  It saved me some grief for sure.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXUDRYf1hiA

                  #18720
                  Avatar photoDatto
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                    #18721
                    Avatar photoRadial TA
                    Participant

                      I am running the March of Sir Jackie Stewart blue number 1.  Runs great since I have not taken it apart or crashed into the wall.  Have not looked at youtube yet.

                      #18754
                      Avatar photoButch
                      Participant

                        I will try this Farrari 126 will see how long it takes to break the wing 

                        #18755
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                        Keymaster

                          David – Unfortunately that car is not allowed as it raced in the 80’s and not the 70’s

                          The selection of cars you can pick from is here with the exception of the Monoposto cars.

                          FORMULA 1

                           

                           

                          #18757
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                            I plan on running the Graham Hill Lotus.

                            #18761
                            Avatar photoStabnSteer
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                              For all – Myself and Mark are narrowing down the expectations for the rules and I hope to have a draft by the end of this week. The main plan will be to limit the overall rear track of the cars to a specific caliper measurement (tire bump to tire bump) and the width of the tire will also be specified (but there will not be a spec tire). This should allow the use of any of the cars linked in Marty’s post above and allow for creative tire options.

                              I lament the new Ferrari 126 is not legal because it is just too cool. Not to mention it is SOOO darn wide that it would be impossible to get it to fit within the rules. That thing is about as wide as a 1/24 scale car!

                              All the detailed, fragile bits on these cars are going to be an issue. There is a huge array of detail to these cars which makes it very difficult to give a blanket statement about what must be fitted that will work for every car as some are very detailed and others less-so. Stuff is going to break and the fiddly rear sway bars and such are a pain to maintain. I’m open to suggestions, but I’m leaning toward only requiring the in-tact one-piece monocoque, wings, driver head, and glass to be in place and everything else is up to you whether you wish to maintain it. Thoughts?

                              --Stabn'Steer

                              #18762
                              Avatar photoRadial TA
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                                I agree with the maintenance of the cars.  Wear and tear should be tolerated.  I have not checked to see if parts are even available if broken, not just falling off.  We should take special care to check cars and track for parts after heats.  Some of our cars, maybe even group C, have soft plastic wings and other parts in a replacement kit.  My car has clipped the walls and collided. but is intact as far as I can tell.

                                #18763
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                                  First pass at the rules. They won’t change a ton from here, but wanted to show the group what we’ve come up with and let you hash-out what you see fit to hash out. Marc and I will be reasonably receptive…to a point. 🙂

                                   

                                  Eligible Cars.

                                  • Any of the current range of Policar GP cars listed on this page, with the exception of the monposto cars: https://www.policar.it/formula-1/
                                    1972 Ferrari 312 B2
                                    1970 Lotus 72, 72E, 72D
                                    1970, 1971 March 701
                                    1971 BRM P160
                                  • 80’s Ferrari models coming available currently are not eligible for inclusion. In the event other 70’s models appear between now and the series, they will be considered on a case by case basis.

                                  Liveries.

                                  • Cars may race in the original Policar liveries or may be repainted if desired. While real 70’s liveries are desired, all one has to do is look at F1 in the 70’s to come across Lord Hesketh’s cars…so paint ’em as you like ’em.

                                  Body shell

                                  • Must be original Policar and be as complete as possible.
                                    Front and Rear wings, glass and driver head must be securely attached to the car at the start of every race.
                                  • All parts shipped with the car will be required at the beginning of the race season. Minor modifications of the parts can be performed to deal with poor fit. If parts break during the season, the general expectation is that the parts will be repaired – within reason. Requests to exclude a part from a car during the season due to terminal breakage must be brought to the series managers and a decision will be made.
                                  • Parts may be glued in place as desired.
                                  • Body screws are open.

                                  Chassis & Motor pod.

                                  • All cars must use a genuine Policar F1 motor mount and gear box assembly. Part numbers PC-H01, PC-H01as, PC-H03, PC-H03as.
                                  • MINOR modifications are permitted to these mounts to make them fit. What constitutes “minor” is up to the judgment of the series managers so ask before you begin modifying.
                                  • Chassis and body screws may be loose or removed as desired.
                                  • Grub screws may be fitted in the holes provided at the front of the chassis to set the front axle height.

                                  Motor

                                  • All cars must be powered by Policar PMX01 25000 RPM motor.

                                  Gears & Rear Axle

                                  •  All cars must use genuine Policar gears & rear axle. The optional Policar rear axle ratios are permitted.

                                  Wheels & Tyres

                                  • Front wheels must be original that came with the car.
                                  • Front track width must remain standard.
                                  • Front tires must be part PPT1220C1.
                                  • Front tyres may be glued and trued.
                                  • Rear wheels must be the plastic originals or the Policar aluminium replacement parts no PWH1234-AL or PW16011724A. Note that Lotus 72E and 72D will be required to change their rear wheel and tire type.
                                  • All wheels must have inserts that match on all 4 corners.
                                  • Overall width of rear, measured over the rear wheels and tyres (bulge to bulge on mounted tire) must not exceed 62mm.
                                  • Rear tyres may be one of these Policar options  (PPT1310C1, PPT1219C1 PPT1219F22) OR any other tire that matches the maximum width measurement for the tires above (measurement method and size being verified). Measurement will be taken from mounted tire, bulge to bulge.
                                  • Rear tyres may be glued, trued and chamfered if desired.
                                  • PROHIBITED: Traction compounds. Glazing of front tires with Nail Polish or Super-Glue/CA

                                  Guide

                                  • Must be a genuine Policar guide to the same specification as supplied with the car.
                                  • Braids & Lead Wire are free choice.

                                  Additional Weight

                                  • Weight may be added inside the car only.
                                  • No weight will be allowed underneath the chassis and any added weight must not be visible outside the car.

                                  Track Power

                                  • Currently under consideration. Suggest 11 volts.

                                  --Stabn'Steer

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