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April 25, 2021 at 8:43 PM #16296
Updated comments on Tourist Trophy series:
Cars:
Cobras–Most of the Cobras that ran were original 289 roadsters. These cars ran with the removable hardtops, both in period and Revivals. The Cobra Daytona Coupes ran in 1964. 3D printed chassis are available for these cars. A MRRC Cobra is listed in the rules, but this may be in error. The only MRRC Cobras that I am aware of are 427 Cobras, which are not eligible. If anyone knows of a MRRC 289 Cobra, please let me know.
Aston Martin–There are a number of eligible cars; all are resin and will likely be heavy. Most of these are set up to use an adjustable chassis, which is not particularly race competitive. Adapting a more competitive chassis would be advised. These would likely require effort to be competitive.
Corvettes–only C1 and C2 Corvettes are eligible; Grand Sports are not. I do not have a Ninco C1 and do not know what issues there may be. There are some 1:32 C1 and Stingray static kits available; unknown issues. Carrera Stingrays are also an unknown quantity.
Cheetah–As in previous posts, the Cheetahs are marginally eligible, unless it is discovered that the Carrera Cheetahs are larger than 1:32. The vintage Strombecker Cheetah would be eligible, but it is a pretty small car.
Porsche 904–The vintage Monogram is eligible, but it is a pretty narrow car.
Ferrari–There are a lot of eligible Ferrari cars eligible. The Racer Ferraris are too large and are not eligible. The only known plastic Ferraris are the Fly GTO and the Fly 250LM and the Monogram GTO 64. Both sidewinder and inline 3D chassis are available for the Fly GTO and only an inline is available for the Fly 250LM. The Slot.it GT40 chassis can also be modified to fit these cars as I showed in my How-To post: http://austinslotcarclub.com/fly-ferrari-gto-slot-it-converson-project/ Clearance is tight at the front of the 250LM and the GT 40 chassis takes a good bit of work to fit in this car. I have only seen inline 3D printed chassis for the Monogram. The other Ferraris are resin and will take more work to be competitive.
Jaguars–I built the Revell-Monogram Lightweight E-Type using a 3D printed chassis. The Lister-Jaguar is resin and would take work to be competitive.
Maserati–The Maseratis are resin and will take work
As I do not have all of the cars on the list, I cannot confirm that all of the cars have similar rear track width. If any of the cars have a clear advantage due to a wider rear end, it could be necessary to impose a maximum rear tire total width. If anyone has a Carrera car they would like to enter, please let me know the rear body width. And, if anyone has any question about a specific car, please let me know.
Good Luck!
Russell
April 26, 2021 at 9:25 AM #16297How can I tell my MRRC cobra is a 427? It has the short removable hardtop and I have one with the longer removable hard top that I was not preparing. I want to try the MRRC chassis with the SCC adjustable front axle carriers. Stop me now if It is a 427.
April 26, 2021 at 2:40 PM #16330I have an ISO-Grifo Bizzarini on order from George Turner Models (resin shell), and it is taking forever to get here. Is that car is still eligible? I have a 1/32 AMT C2 Corvette as backup.
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-Warren ZevonApril 26, 2021 at 5:57 PM #16331Marc
Although I could not find the Bizzarini entered in period, it has raced in later Goodwood Revivals, so it would be legal. The Bizzarrini is a pretty cool looking car.
Randy
It can be difficult noting the difference in 289 and 427 racing Cobras, especially in slot cars, particularly during this time period, as car bodies were modified to fit wider and wider tires. Originally, the 289 Cobras did not have factory fender flares, except for the FIA Cobras, which had a bulging rear end very similar to the 427 cars. In addition, 289s were modified with makeshift flares in period. The 289s had a smaller grille opening that was flat on the bottom. The 427s had vertical oval brake openings on either side of the larger oval grille The 427s had large side pipes mounted along the rocker panels; the 289s either did not have side pipes, or they were smaller and located below the rocker panel. In a quick look at your Cobra on Saturday, it looked correct. The 289s had both a short hardtop roof or a longer, fastback roof. It was very rare to see a 427 with a removable hardtop. I did find that MRRC has correct 289s with hardtops:


Here is a Carrera 289:

I found this car on eBay, advertised as an MRRC. I do not think it actually is an MRRC. It is a model of the same car as the Carrera, but it looks like the manufacturer used a 427 body with the 289 roof.

Considering the difficulty in identifying “correct” 289s, I would be willing not to look too closely at a 289/427 Cobra. My main concern is with the potential wider rear end of a 427 car. If one is entered, a maximum rear track width may be required.
April 26, 2021 at 6:21 PM #16332I think the AMT Stingray is quite a nice kit, with some small issues. The rear bumperettes are supported by the license plate, so there was a big ugly chunk taken out of the back. Sheet styrene to the rescue. I got it CHEEP at Hobby Lobby.
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-Warren ZevonMay 10, 2021 at 11:23 AM #16426Russ, I notice that headlights are required. I can open up the eyes of the stingray, like a club racer, if that is needed. Is is needed?
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-Warren ZevonMay 10, 2021 at 10:26 PM #16429My black hardtop was the orange car shown and I have the red lemans roof car unmolested. I want to get the black car running, even if not competitive because that guy at the Revival always shows up looking so tough. It may be entered, but not raced as they say. I am getting outside assistance.
I looked at many Cobras at the vintage races in recent years and the whole rear fender on the 427 was wider than the 289 parked next to it.
May 11, 2021 at 1:09 PM #16431W O W – I am sure the performance of many of these cars will be a challenge – but GOSH DARN …. it looks like there will be some Gorgeous cars in the race!
I am just planning to enter my Ferrari GT250 from 2017 and attempt a build with the Bill Thomas Aluminum Cheetah with a 3DP chassis.
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Sammy with MontroseMay 11, 2021 at 10:17 PM #16432Marc
The headlight specification is a holdover from a previous series and I believe that it is referring to the real race cars having required head and tail lights. As many racecar headlights in period were covered during daytime racing, sometimes with tape, sometimes with metal or plastic covers, or otherwise not visible, I do not think visible headlights should be required.
Randy
Tracing Cobra race car body modifications can be tricky as it was a constantly evolving process, with various fender flares and extensions being used. The ultimate 289 body (and my personal favorite Cobra shape) may well have been the five FIA 289 Cobras that were built. These cars had a wide rear body, requiring the doors to have a cutback rear edge. The front wheelwells had wide fender flare extensions and an oil cooler inlet was added below the regular 289 flat-bottom grill opening. The hood had a scoop for fresh air in and added side fender vents let hot air out. The FIA cars also had the “suitcase” bumps on the trunk lids to clear the mandated FIA luggage space.
The 1/24 Revell slot car is a pretty accurate FIA car, except for the lack of trunk bumps. The AMT Cobra behind is a 1/25 early car.

After the FIA cars, there were 11 USRRC Cobras built, using the FIA mods. Then the Kardashian FIA rear body was used as the buck for the 427 rear body, although there were variations here as well; the street, competition, and S/C cars had slight differences on the rear fenders, all very similar to the FIA 289 rear fenders, except that the doors were not cutback. In addition, 33 427s were built with narrower rear fenders, closer to the rear tires. After a run of the “narrow-hip” cars Shelby went back to the wider rear, because it looked better.
In 1/32 scale, the Revell hardtop is an early 289 and pretty close to the LeMans/Goodwood hardtop cars, as they were raced in period. The MRRC car behind is clearly a 427.

Russell
May 11, 2021 at 11:40 PM #16433Russ, whats ur ruling on this puppy?

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Sammy with MontroseMay 13, 2021 at 10:53 AM #16472Thanks, Russ. I will proceed, then 🙂
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-Warren ZevonMay 14, 2021 at 9:57 AM #16473Here are some Cobra photos I took at Road America in 2001. The #19 car is a 289 USRRC Cobra being driven by Dan Gerber, the driver of that very car in 1964. Notice the cutback doors. The #99 car is a 427 Cobra. The photos were taken with a 2.3 megapixel Canon camera.




Russell
May 14, 2021 at 6:37 PM #16475Russell – it’s so great for us to have your world-class pictures on our walls and website!
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Sammy with MontroseJune 2, 2021 at 6:58 PM #16578Soooo…I wonder why is the 427 being excluded for being a 427 Cobra. Wikipedia (I know…maybe not the be-all source) says the 427 Cobra Daytona coupe Chassis # CSX2299 raced in the tourist trophy of 1964.
I have the monogram model of this car. The Wikepedia article mentions the paint schemes used in 64 and 65…my model is plainly the 65 paint scheme, although the CAR itself is the same run in 1964 TT. If the paint job is an issue, I can repaint it (to a fantasy livery…I don’t have the patience to create the original scheme!).
The rear track is approximately 56mm.

Is it legal?
And to make it more interesting, I’m probably warped enough to try to make this front-motored slot car work so I don’t have to build some way of getting the motor under the driver compartment. This will almost certainly make it noncompetitive, but hey…I love a challenge!
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June 3, 2021 at 8:02 PM #16580I am using the Fly 250LM original chassis that was SW to continue to have the lovely interior. i also added the SCC front axle adjustment blocks which were a challenge to install. I really came close to using the 3d inline chassis, but cutting up the interior is no picnic. I am glad two of use may have challenged the sine qua non for a change.
For this series I am not convinced every car should be max winner stuff. The races have definite big gaps in performance but the cars look awesome.
I do have a Cobra hardtop from a few years ago that I never quite got running. I may order the new 3d for that black beast. It even had side pipes from styrene tubes. I did not know the Daytonas had a 427. My Scalextric 427 1972 (?) Greenwood Radial Corvette has the front motor, but I only race it on my short track.
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