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I know this is early but I want to start talking about potential race series for next year to get ahead of the ball. I wanted to start this because I have a fairly complicated series I would like run
"If everything seems under control you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
tractor pull on a straight of the rally track …
"... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseOK so what I propose is a modern le mans style race. The way I envisioned it was it being both the 3rd and 4th quarter. Race 1 would be group A runs prototypes and group B runs GT cars then the second race is the opposite and we go back and forth for a total of 12 races 6 in each category. I would love to see some limit on the GT cars in hopes of actually making them a little slower then the proto-types. So maybe GT limit to 20k motor and le mans is open (.?) Idk let me know what you all think
"If everything seems under control you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
I like the proposed motor differentiation to make GT and Prototype run different lap times. Would some heats mix the GT and Prototypes, or would the A and B grouping keep the heats “pure” each race?
Sounds interesting Stevo. What about actually spec’ing the LMP motors to be in a certain range, say 22k min – 25k max, and perhaps models like Flat-6-RS and Boxer-2? Any ideas on spec’ing a particular motor pod orientation, say something challenging like anglewinder?
"... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseMy favorite 1:1 sports car races were the Trans Am races with the pony cars in over two liter and under two liter european/japanese sports sedans ( later under 2.5 l). We could easily do that type of race with the differentiation of the max motor sizes. Many of you have the pony car already. I don’t remember seeing any of the smaller sports cars running as slot cars during Thursday evenings.
the issue I have with limiting it to motors is that we had an slotit orange endbell holding the record of fastest lap with a 3.712 for quite some time. I am now thinking the GT car could be limited to 4 second lap time minimum anything below it does not count it could be an interesting challenge.
"If everything seems under control you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
An article of the online magazine Sports Car Digest has details of an interesting catch all class we might consider for slot cars next year. I think it is group F with a wide range of cars from the Can-Am through Daytona Prototypes. I don’t want to clog the club site with this. How are we going to submit pre-meeting suggestions for next year like the 2 class proposal from Steve?
Randy,
Here is the paragraph describing Group F.
One of the more intriguing run groups was Group F, which combined 1983-2007 World SportsCar Championship and Le Mans Prototype entries along with 1966-72 Can-Am. It is rare to see a 2006 Riley Scott being pursued by a 1970 McLaren and a 2005 Audi R8 Le Mans Prototype, but it happened at the 2017 Spring Classic Laguna Seca. The 2005 Audi R8 LMP driven by Travis Engen won every time he started on the grid, scoring Group F victories on Saturday and twice on Sunday and winning Saturday’s one-hour vintage enduro that was open to all close-wheeled race cars.
I believe these cars were grouped together because they didn’t have enough entries to make a WSC group or a CanAm group. They really do not belong together in a vintage race.
I would be for:
1. A Slot.it or similar Can Am class i.e. McLaren M8 D etc.
2. Modern WEC or Imsa Prototypes.
3. Slot.it Ford GT 40s Mk 1 & Mk II.
John B
/posted by Mark for Randy and John.
1. Group-F type series (like 2017 Spring Classic Laguna Seca): Combined running of 1983-2007 World SportsCar Championship, LMPs, and 1966-72 Can-Am cars.
2. CanAm (its been three years-2014 since our last)
3. Modern WEC and IMSA Prototypes (like the WeatherTech Series)
4. Slot.It Ford GT-40 Mk-1 & Mk-II"... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with Montrose
Hi John,
You aren’t “clogging up the site” with posts like this. In fact, this type of discussion is the purpose for which these forums are intended. Using the forums instead of email keeps all of the suggestions and feedback in one place, easily accessible by all members. It also gives non members, who may be interested in participating, insight into how the club operates, answering a lot of cultural and procedural questions by example.
So… post on! 🙂
Brian
Let’s get the discussion on series for next year. As stated in the meeting, put your suggestions here and I’ll put a survey together mid-September for everyone to vote on the ones they want.
I would suggest the following two series for 2018
1. NSR Porsche GT3 series. Spec-ish series with everyone running a NSR Porsche GT3 car, sidewinder only and any NSR parts
2, FIA GT race for 1996 series. Open. Tons of cars to run from various manufactures as well as running any of the numerous Fly cars that now have a 3D chassis available for them. Here is a simple list of cars:
McLaren F1 GTR short tail, Porsche GT1, Marcos, Venturi, Dodge Viper, Ferrari F40’s, Porsche GT2
Lots of options from Fly that can be purchased on eBay for very little money then built with a 3D chassis and some Slot It/NSR parts to make a fun series. The question is whether or not we would not allow the Mr. Slot Car McLaren F1 GTR as it might be too quick. Having never run one I just don’t know. The Policar Ferrari F40 and the older Slot It F40’s could be too fast as well. I just don’t want it to be a two make series – McLaren F1 GTR and Ferrari F40.
A serious suggestion this time … covers common issues such as limiting cost, confusing rules, emphasis on driver skill over endless investment and equipment tuning. Normal and reasonable tuning allowed vs overly restrictive mods on spec cars.
1.ECONO SUPER-CARS
Scalextric Highly-resistant Audi-R8 and Bugati Veyron; both appx $40
Both have similar dimensions; both have the typical sidewinder 18.5k rpm motor.
R8: 86gm, w/b 83mm, len 142mm, wdth 62.5mm
Veyron: 88gm, w/b 85.5mm, len 140mm, wdth 63mmEQUIPMENT MODS: Fr tires: ZeroGrip 19×10; Rr tires: F30, P6; B-Nova guide adapter, Slot.It DeepWood Guide; Slot.It smooth-shank body screws; Fantasy paint or decals encouraged; race number on side windows and upper left windsheild (GT style) required
TUNING ALLOWED: Motor break-in; front tire height adjusted with guide spacers; bushings and motor may be glued; bare minimum chassis trimming for float; post-cups can be flattened (for float) but cannot be shortened; rear OEM wheels can be trued; rear tires can be glued and trued (on TireRazor); Ballast allowed but max weight less than 92gm
PROHIBITED: Magnet, alloy wheels, non-OEM gears and axles, body lightening, non-OEM motor/guide wires, non-OEM glass
VOLTAGE: 12 or 13v – to be determined after some experimentation.BENEFITS: Low-cost; single brand; controlled-specs but typical tuning allowed. Emphasis on FUN and DRIVING skill, -vs- ‘no expenses spared’ to turn 3.6s These cars are great looking and handle decent out of the box.
2.ECONO FORMULA
Scalextric High-impact F1s
Specs and rules similar to the ECONO SUPER-CAR
VARIATIONS: Rear tires Slot.It F22s (shore 22s for F1 wheels), or PaulGage Eurethanes if the F22s won’t fit. Max weight 6gm over factory spec."... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseI like the idea of a low cost single brand controlled spec series but the big issue here is the variance with the motors. That is why there were issues with the last impact resistant race – the GT Lightning series. The ability to adjust your gearing to suit the power and RPM of the motor is key to keeping everyone competitive. Without that its the luck of the draw of who got the better-faster motor.
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