Ok folks let me be clear

the problem with my pinion is NO EXCUSE NOW

I knew the rules from the very beginning and I really don’t care if I have to lose a race for be in compliance with my fellow racers

Marty already (and I am thankful for)  lend me,  and others front and rear tires (I only use a front set )

Lets talk, ok,  but rules are rules and needs to be followed,   that will make us grow as a club

Io Ditto

OK.

Comments about existing rules:

The rules were posted a month before the race for all to see and comment on.  It was my own fault, because I was so busy, not to have read the rules sooner.  I set up the car at literally the last minute, and did not check it against the rules.

I understand the issue with later production cars having smaller diameter front tires and the need to change the rules accordingly.  I just think that, with an untrued diameter of 19.65mm, a spec of 19.4mm does not leave much room for truing and a smaller diameter spec would have worked just as well, with everyone setting up to that spec.  As Marty stated, he took measurements after the race to check everyone’s diameter and used those results to decide what the new spec should be.  What was not reflected in those measurements was which cars had the original tires and which cars had the newer, lowered tires.  Also, there may well have been an issue with warm tires recording a larger diameter.  My car was listed at 19.46mm.  When I measured it this week, it was 19.34.  This was not an incorrect caliper measurement.  When the caliper was set at 19.4mm there was a clear gap to the tire.  I will check my caliper against the template tomorrow to see if there is caliper error.  I just think a smaller spec, that everyone would have set to, would have been better.  At this point, as everyone has bought new tires to comply, I do not think it would be fair to change the spec.  Everyone will just need to use extreme care when truing.

I do not know why there is a spec for track.  To my memory, the only previous race where we had a track spec was when there was a particular slot car with a much wider body and the track was specified to address this.  In other races,the rule has always been that the tire/wheel must not project beyond the body when viewed from above and the rule has worked well.  With identical bodies this rule could have worked here.  Again, now that everyone  has (hopefully) adjusted their chassis to comply with the spec, I do not think the rule should be changed.

I am opposed to the spec about tire diameter minimum after the race.  This is a spec we have never used and I think  it sets a bad precedent.  To say that the racer should account for tire wear after the race and set up their tires with that in mind is too much to ask.  There are too many variables.  What if it is a hot day and there is more tire wear?  I think if the car is legal before the race, with the proper tire, wheel, diameter, etc. it should not be checked after the race.

As I said, I understand the need for rules and strict adherence to those rules, especially with a spec series where small variations can make a difference.  With the exception of the post-race spec, I am satisfied with the rules as is and am looking forward to racing.  I just think, in the future, a little more leeway in setting up those specs would  have been better.

See everyone tomorrow!

Russell

Marty

First of all, as I said previously, except for the post-race inspection (a rule we have never used and, I believe, a bad precedent moving forward), I do not think any of the rules need changing.  That horse has left the barn, and there is no point now.

As for the tire diameter and track, you missed the point I was making about the tire diameter and track.  Of course, tire diameter is important; that is a given.  In addition to the center of gravity, it also has a big effect on downforce.  My point was why the specific tire diameter was selected.  Any spec would have worked.  Everyone would have worked to that spec and it would have been a fair and level playing (racing) field.  If a diameter of 19.25mm had been selected, those with the later, smaller tire would not have to buy and true new tires.  Those with the  original tire would have had to get new tires in any case.  With an untrued diameter of 19.65mm, a 19.40mm spec requires great care in truing the tires.

Again, with the track, it is clearly understood that a wider track is better; everyone knows that.  My points about the track are twofold:

First, it is a stock spec.  The car should have the original parts, slight production variances should be allowed.  Barring, of course, an issue like the tires where, perhaps, a different axle spacer was supplied.  With an otherwise stock car, like mine, that was slightly out of  spec, it is difficult to machine the spacer to a smaller width, while maintaining a smooth and square edge on the spacer.

Second, the rule we have traditionally used is that the wheel/tire should not extend beyond the body when viewed from above.  That would have worked fine here, especially with identical bodies.  Also, again, going forward, are we going to change the track specs for future series?  If we have a track spec here, are we going to have a track spec for Group C?  NSR Rally?  For accurate measurement, we would need a template for each series, if that is the case.  Is that what we are going to do?  The only time that I think we need a track spec is if there are significant variances in body widths between car models.

My issue now is whether how the way specs for this were created will be applied to future series.

Still looking forward to the race today.

Russell

Good afternoon fellow racers

I am about to get some pairs of tires rears and back for the revo slot thing

I was wondering… because I checked that for ordering a pair or three the shipping is exactly the same will anybody be interested in some tires eventually and help paying the freaking 11 dollar ship rate?

Please let me know

thanks

I am still in disbelief of what happened this past Saturday (now you can start your comments ) LOL

Alejandro, if you still have room order me a set of front tires.  Thanks, Randy

I bought POWER SHOT Electric Motor Cleaner Spray at Hobby Town Sunday and cleaned the RevoSlot Porsche today.  The axles, bearings, and spacers all had black deposits, most of which had gotten hot and compessed, but cleaned off OK.  The parts run much freer including the front end.