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For me, personally, spec events are much more difficult, as there is so little wiggle room.
I’m a pretty poor driver, so I look for other opportunities to perform.
On tires: Every fiber of my being wants to keep the width to 8mm max, to keep this a scale series, but I don’t want to chase people away.
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-Warren ZevonI’m ok with 8mm wheels and tires if they look right. Not so keen on brass chassis unless the car is a resin body with a thin brass chassis like Penelope Pitlane. Please include independent rotating fron wheels because my Scalextric Austin Mini Cooper comes that way. There is not room up front for an axle where the guide is up front. Actually I don’t mind letting independent rotating front wheels on any car. (A famous 917 cheat I purchased has secret independent front wheel.) I like those cars you found and included.
I can see no reason why front axle treatment should not be wide open.
A good opportunity to see what works."Enjoy every sandwich"
-Warren ZevonJohn was wanting to use F30 tires. Can they be shaved down to 8mm reasonably easily.
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-Warren ZevonF30s – SHAVED TO 8mm – probably not possible, the internal RIB channel inside the tire is 5mm wide, leaving 1.5mm on each side.
John is a crafty guy so maybe that *IS* possible ….Some Tire and Wheel Ideas:
http://slot.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/A-parte-SLOT.IT_2020-_Slot_IT-POLICAR-accessories-REV-18-02-2020-OK-WEB.pdfREAR TIRES
Slot.IT PT1088-C1 (8mm wide, 16.8 Dia/Tall; C1 compound)https://www.nsrslot.it/assets/download/NSR%20catalogo%202021_web.pdf
NSR 8w X 17od Supergrip (shore-28?) NSR-5204; Ultragrip (shore-22?) NSR-5205
NSR 8w X 18od Supergrip NSR-5227; Ultra 5228
NSR 8w X 19.5od Supergrip NSR-5248; Ultra 5249
** Ultragrips ??may?? be Too-sticky for the Rally (not enough drift)REAR WHEELS
Slot.IT W15808225A/WH1050-AL (8mm wide, 15.8 Rim Dia/Tall) Alloy/alum; 2.5mm Hub)
Slot.IT W15808215A/PA24-ALS (8mm wide, 15.8 Rim Dia/Tall) Alloy/alum; 1.5mm Hub)
Slot.IT W16508215A/PA43-ALS (8mm wide, 16.5 Rim Dia/Tall) Alloy/alum; 1.5mm Hub)
Slot.IT W17308215A/WH1110-AL (8mm wide, 17.3 Rim Dia/Tall) Alloy/alum; 1.5mm Hub)
Slot.IT W17308225A/WH1048-AL (8mm wide, 17.3 Rim Dia/Tall) Alloy/alum; 2.5mm Hub)FRONT WHEELS
Slot.IT W14308015A/PA33-ALS (8mm wide, 14.3 Rim Dia/Tall) Alloy/alum; 1.5mm Hub)FRONT TIRES
Slot.IT PT19/1096 (8mm wide, 14.2 Dia/Tall; Z1 ZERO-GRIP compound)"... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseTYRE WIDTH – IMHO –
- Max Width limit to 10mm; 8mm preferred .. but > >
- Scrutineering Criteria = must not exceed the wheel well/skirt/lip (by 0.5mm)
- v.s. ‘Visible from Above’ which can be subjective and does not really fulfill the true objective of the Rule which is basically – don’t use F1 width tires and wheels sticking out of a sedan;
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- i.e. if it looks like a Drift car the tires are too-wide.
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- However, if a *Sliver* of black appears, DQing the tires is a little heavy-handed …
"... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseAnother interesting source of body shells. Entz Racing Components on ebay. Many euro and American including a 1969 Corvair like my 1967 real car. Require full scratch building of car since only the body shell is 3d printed.
I need dashboard gauges for my Mustang and only found 1/32 fighter plane decals. Are those the good thing for car interiors, or is there a real car gouge source I missed?
And so we have the 3d chassis conundrum where there is room for wide tires like we use on the modern big track. I vote 6mm unless 8mm looks period correct. Just the direction I am taking.
TA – you were not part of the club the last time we tried super skinny tires, (e.g the 2014 Trasn-Am). In that case the spec was BRM S-117, shore-30-22mm-Dia x 9mm-Width. Results were brutal, altho to be fair those cars were generally Heavy.
I favor having “open” tires with a max width of 10mm; contingent on them fitting under the wheel-well Lip/skirt; and they need to look reasonably “scale” and period-correct for the car.
If that means your cars need 6mm wide tires; Goferit! If that means 10mm tires look appropriate and fit in the wells on John’s car – fantastic.
IMHO the term “Reasonably” should be used with lots of judgement; the more “rigid” we get on this series with specs, the more we deviate away from its theme of “a builders series” and a series where “Concours d’Elegance” and innovation are weighted higher than most other criteria for qualifications.
"... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with MontroseHere is a second draft of rules after some input, and edited to be more concise. There is an asterisk after some contentious items.
Monte Carly Rally Revival
Rules second draftTo be held on ASCC Rally track
One of the aims of this series is to see a variety of cars and approaches.Cars eligible:
Any car that ran the Monte between 1961, and 1971 Entrants should have some info and documentation on this. Cars should be a reasonable 1/32 depiction of the prototype.Multiple entries are permitted, but each entry will require a unique driver persona for the scoring software.
Model configuration:
Any hard plastic injection molded or resin cast 1/32model. (No vacuum formed shells) RTR slot cars /shells are allowed, but must run spec motor, and are not eligible for Concours.Cars must have interior tray (Vac form permitted) and figures for driver (with steering wheel) and navigator. Fantasy liveries allowed, but must be true to the period.Chassis/Drive configuration
Chassis: Any plastic or printed chassis. May be stiffened/reinforced.
Motor: any unmodified PREDATOR motor rated at or below 18k rpm
Guide/braid/motor leads: open
Gearing: open
Axles, front/rear: open
Ballast permitted, no weight limit imposed.
Ground clearance: Must not damage track, copper tape or timing system.Wheels/Tires:
Wheels to be a good faith effort to depict wheels on prototype vehicles. Wheels/tires must* not protrude beyond wheel arches as viewed from above. (If prototype car had wheels protruding beyond arches, documentation must be provided to scrutineer, and must be to scale) Wheel inserts are required. Maximum tire with front and rear (at bulge) 8mm•. Tire diameter should be scale to prototype within 10% after truing. Rubber or urethane tires allowed. Coating of front tires with nail varnish or C/A, etc. is allowed.
SILICONE TIRES PROHIBITED.Scoring
A series of 6* stages will be held on the ASCC rally track.
Each stage will carry X points per finishing place
An Index of Performance (under review) will be applied after applicable info is gathered, and will carry X points per (adjusted) finishing placeBoth posts totals will carry forward toward final score*
Concours to be judged by third party if possible. Points will apply to final score.
"Enjoy every sandwich"
-Warren ZevonThe Mini Cooper is ready to go tire wise except for painting two inserts.
Wheel inserts should not be required as our SRC Porsche 914’s have fancy wheels that are one piece Fuchs. I also plan to use DC Wheels that are one piece and look like the wheels that used to come on real Mustangs, commonly called “steelies” with lug nuts and all. Not the modern 5 spoke one piece wheels.
Are we getting sponsorship from Predator or just trying to restrict it to Predator even if the car comes with another brand at 18k or less? I could do without the Predator requirement and just meet the rpm target.
The 8mm tire target is tough since my SRC 914 has fancy wheels that have wider tires. I’m going to keep working on the 8mm limit. Maybe we should have two classes: 8mm and over 8mm with the 1970-71.
Noted about inserts. I will check the Tourist Trophy rules and see how Russ put it.
I have talked to Steve at Slot Car Corner. Is interested in a sponsorship. and supplying 10 (17.5k to 18k) motors. We will need to decide how to divide that 10 among:
Slimline
S-Can
Long Can
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-Warren ZevonTWO-CENTS
INSERTS required *only if* an alloy wheel does Not already appear realistic and period correct. CB Design and similar wheels, with Holes only (i.e. spokes r OK, and smoothies with Lug Nuts) are not allowed (i.e. if they are designed for inserts, inserts are required).
TIRES 6, 8, 9mm width – basically the OEM (out of box) size or very close and within the wheel wells. ?? Do the 914s have 10mm Width tires?
MOTORS Need to be Racer specific so we should be sending Marc the spec for the motor:
* CAN/TYPE: FF (‘F1’ Slimcan; FF-050); S-Can (Mabuchi style “Short-Can”; FC-130); Long-Can (a.k.a. ‘boxers’; FK-180)
* SHAFT SPEED: xx,000 rpms (18,000 or less, regardless what your original motor was)Remember: Most FF motors have a 1.5mm shaft-Diameter (OD) and hence cannot use the same Slot.IT and NSR pinions used for the MX16 Orange-end-bell and other S-can and long-can motors. 1.5mm ID Pinions are available but can be tricky to find. https://slotcarcorner.com/collections/pinion-gears-for-1-5mm-motor-shaft
Adapter shafts are also available, but at this moment I do not have a link to a vendor.
"... get on your bad motor scooter and ride!"
Sammy with Montrose1.5mm ID Pinions are available but can be tricky to find.
A little tricky but hot nearly as tricky to get as some of the tires we have been required to run 🙂
"Enjoy every sandwich"
-Warren ZevonI have some Slot.It 1.5mm pinions if somebody needs them. Do not use Policar pinions, they are a different pitch.
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-Warren Zevon
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